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	<title>Comments on: Limits to collective decision making: Arrow&#8217;s theorem</title>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/limits-to-collective-decision-making-arrows-theorem/comment-page-1/#comment-4566</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VoteFair ranking achieves what you say is impossible, namely a fair ranking of choices.  To check it out, go to www.VoteFair.org, vote in any of the polls (American Idol, So You Think You Can Dance?, or Presidential), and then look at the results.  At www.FullRanking.com you can, for free, create your own poll or survey.

Arrow&#039;s theorem is correct, but it only applies to voting methods in which voter-assigned votes are distributed among the choices.  VoteFair ranking does not use such an approach.  Instead, VoteFair ranking calculates a score for every possible outcome and regards the outcome with the highest core as the best match.  For more information, look at the entry for VoteFair ranking (aka &quot;Kemeny-Young&quot;) in Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VoteFair ranking achieves what you say is impossible, namely a fair ranking of choices.  To check it out, go to <a href="http://www.VoteFair.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.VoteFair.org</a>, vote in any of the polls (American Idol, So You Think You Can Dance?, or Presidential), and then look at the results.  At <a href="http://www.FullRanking.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.FullRanking.com</a> you can, for free, create your own poll or survey.</p>
<p>Arrow&#8217;s theorem is correct, but it only applies to voting methods in which voter-assigned votes are distributed among the choices.  VoteFair ranking does not use such an approach.  Instead, VoteFair ranking calculates a score for every possible outcome and regards the outcome with the highest core as the best match.  For more information, look at the entry for VoteFair ranking (aka &#8220;Kemeny-Young&#8221;) in Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/limits-to-collective-decision-making-arrows-theorem/comment-page-1/#comment-4547</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think makes a latex formula dangerous?</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: I don&#039;t think I was imagining them; they must have been fixed when you fixed the other problems :)

I&#039;m curious if anyone has analyzed which of the 3 Arrow criteria Australia&#039;s Prime Minister voting system lacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: I don&#8217;t think I was imagining them; they must have been fixed when you fixed the other problems <img src='http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious if anyone has analyzed which of the 3 Arrow criteria Australia&#8217;s Prime Minister voting system lacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I’m interested in the question of how we can design institutions which result in good collective decision making.”

It&#039;s the people in the institutions, and the culture within which they work, which produce good collective decision making. My guess is that it&#039;s a mistake to not think of people.

If you&#039;re talking about policy making, then my suggestion is that the people in the institution should be open to different ideas, perhaps even ones that they have previously or instinctively rejected, and that they be guided by data, evidence and reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I’m interested in the question of how we can design institutions which result in good collective decision making.”</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the people in the institutions, and the culture within which they work, which produce good collective decision making. My guess is that it&#8217;s a mistake to not think of people.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re talking about policy making, then my suggestion is that the people in the institution should be open to different ideas, perhaps even ones that they have previously or instinctively rejected, and that they be guided by data, evidence and reasoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon: I don&#039;t see any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon: I don&#8217;t see any.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 05:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a few of these:
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in the proof</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a few of these:<br />
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in the proof</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/limits-to-collective-decision-making-arrows-theorem/comment-page-1/#comment-4541</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 05:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m interested in the question of how we can design institutions which result in good collective decision making.&quot;

Bryan Eastin and I talk about this all the time.  We think it&#039;s very analogous to the theory of fault-tolerance.  We want the institution to be robust to some (possibly large) fraction of &quot;bad&quot; voters.  Unfortunately, I think the reason this field is still in it&#039;s infancy is that it&#039;s so darn hard to find solutions that don&#039;t just have good theoretical properties once implemented, but that might actually be possible to attain starting from our current institutions.  If we&#039;re at a &quot;stable fixed point&quot; in &quot;institution space&quot;, it will be very hard to leave, even if we find good alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m interested in the question of how we can design institutions which result in good collective decision making.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bryan Eastin and I talk about this all the time.  We think it&#8217;s very analogous to the theory of fault-tolerance.  We want the institution to be robust to some (possibly large) fraction of &#8220;bad&#8221; voters.  Unfortunately, I think the reason this field is still in it&#8217;s infancy is that it&#8217;s so darn hard to find solutions that don&#8217;t just have good theoretical properties once implemented, but that might actually be possible to attain starting from our current institutions.  If we&#8217;re at a &#8220;stable fixed point&#8221; in &#8220;institution space&#8221;, it will be very hard to leave, even if we find good alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 03:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: No, I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: No, I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 03:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have version of these notes available in .pdf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have version of these notes available in .pdf?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: Thanks for pointing this out!  I think I&#039;ve fixed the errors.  Unfortunately, in so doing my webserver started generating heaps of its own errors, as you can now see :-(  Hopefully the problem will be solved later in the day.

Alejandro: Votes are numbers, so it&#039;s the same as the usual order on numbers (except reversed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: Thanks for pointing this out!  I think I&#8217;ve fixed the errors.  Unfortunately, in so doing my webserver started generating heaps of its own errors, as you can now see <img src='http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />   Hopefully the problem will be solved later in the day.</p>
<p>Alejandro: Votes are numbers, so it&#8217;s the same as the usual order on numbers (except reversed).</p>
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