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		<title>By: haig</title>
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		<dc:creator>haig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 01:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the continuing paradigm shift away from virtual reality towards augmented reality.  I&#039;m reminded of Jaron Lanier&#039;s ideas of &#039;post-symbolic language&#039;, though he is interested in VR while I think the thrust of this type of work will be implemented through augmented reality or intelligence amplification, to use some more techno-verbiage.  

A lot of our intuition comes from the Kahneman type 1 cognitive processes, and in order for us to really amplify our individual and collective intelligences, visualization and &#039;super-realism&#039; will be necessary to bridge the gap between our faster type 1 systems and our slower type 2 systems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the continuing paradigm shift away from virtual reality towards augmented reality.  I&#8217;m reminded of Jaron Lanier&#8217;s ideas of &#8216;post-symbolic language&#8217;, though he is interested in VR while I think the thrust of this type of work will be implemented through augmented reality or intelligence amplification, to use some more techno-verbiage.  </p>
<p>A lot of our intuition comes from the Kahneman type 1 cognitive processes, and in order for us to really amplify our individual and collective intelligences, visualization and &#8216;super-realism&#8217; will be necessary to bridge the gap between our faster type 1 systems and our slower type 2 systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Around the Web: Expanding Public Access to the Results of Federally Funded Research, What kind of researcher are you? and more &#8211; Confessions of a Science Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around the Web: Expanding Public Access to the Results of Federally Funded Research, What kind of researcher are you? and more &#8211; Confessions of a Science Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Keith Seifert</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/the-artist-and-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-38858</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Seifert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I left Juan&#039;s exhibition that afternoon, it was with his insistent message, &quot;We have to do something about this!&quot;  He envisioned a conference, giving rise to a movement that would unite the arts and the sciences on a course to improve the lot of humanity. He sent me out into the winter making me feel it was my duty to help this happen. I never saw him again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I left Juan&#8217;s exhibition that afternoon, it was with his insistent message, &#8220;We have to do something about this!&#8221;  He envisioned a conference, giving rise to a movement that would unite the arts and the sciences on a course to improve the lot of humanity. He sent me out into the winter making me feel it was my duty to help this happen. I never saw him again.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Seifert</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/the-artist-and-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-38857</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Seifert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for mentioning the work of Juan Geuer. I met Juan twice before he passed away a few years ago, in his early nineties. I had the privilege of receiving a personal tour of his last public exhibition, held in his home town of Almonte, Ontario. It was an afternoon that changed the way I thought about science, its relationship with art, and my own place in the world. Juan&#039;s pre-artistic career was as a draftsman for the Geological Surfey of Canada and this connection remained in his work. At his final exhibition, there was an installation with lights triggered by real-time tectonic events in the earth&#039;s crust, and another where you walked through a model of a geological fault, with the sounds of the tectonic forces magnified a million times.  He told me what I later learned to be one of his favorite stories, about ants eating the pages of a book of philosophy that he opened when he lived in Ecuador, where he lived after fleeing Holland in the Second World War. If you want to know this story, you&#039;ll have to track it down. I can&#039;t do it justice.

Juan&#039;s collection was donated by his family to the Arts Court in Ottawa. It is worth a visit, to experience the imagination of this inspiring man. I&#039;ve been lucky, in my career as a biologist, to collaborate with one of his protégés, Annie Thibault. They taught me that science and art are two sides of the same face, the exploration of the unknown, the quest for originality, the challenge to be the first in an intellectual space. C.P. Snow&#039;s two solitudes of the humanities and the sciences may be the context in which we have been indoctrinated, but it is also a lie. More scientists, more artists, need to know this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for mentioning the work of Juan Geuer. I met Juan twice before he passed away a few years ago, in his early nineties. I had the privilege of receiving a personal tour of his last public exhibition, held in his home town of Almonte, Ontario. It was an afternoon that changed the way I thought about science, its relationship with art, and my own place in the world. Juan&#8217;s pre-artistic career was as a draftsman for the Geological Surfey of Canada and this connection remained in his work. At his final exhibition, there was an installation with lights triggered by real-time tectonic events in the earth&#8217;s crust, and another where you walked through a model of a geological fault, with the sounds of the tectonic forces magnified a million times.  He told me what I later learned to be one of his favorite stories, about ants eating the pages of a book of philosophy that he opened when he lived in Ecuador, where he lived after fleeing Holland in the Second World War. If you want to know this story, you&#8217;ll have to track it down. I can&#8217;t do it justice.</p>
<p>Juan&#8217;s collection was donated by his family to the Arts Court in Ottawa. It is worth a visit, to experience the imagination of this inspiring man. I&#8217;ve been lucky, in my career as a biologist, to collaborate with one of his protégés, Annie Thibault. They taught me that science and art are two sides of the same face, the exploration of the unknown, the quest for originality, the challenge to be the first in an intellectual space. C.P. Snow&#8217;s two solitudes of the humanities and the sciences may be the context in which we have been indoctrinated, but it is also a lie. More scientists, more artists, need to know this.</p>
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		<title>By: Changes In History Through Art: 19th and 20th Century Cities</title>
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		<dc:creator>Changes In History Through Art: 19th and 20th Century Cities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Frank --- Jim Sanborn was new to me (although I had seen Kryptos).  Thanks for the pointer, it&#039;s very interesting stuff!  I note that on his Wikipedia page it says that &quot;making the invisible visible&quot; has been a theme in his art, which is obviously similar to my explanation of Super-realism.

I agree that the data visualization community is a potential source of major artworks.  Some of their works are already iconic, such as the famous &quot;maps of the internet&quot;:

http://www.opte.org/maps/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank &#8212; Jim Sanborn was new to me (although I had seen Kryptos).  Thanks for the pointer, it&#8217;s very interesting stuff!  I note that on his Wikipedia page it says that &#8220;making the invisible visible&#8221; has been a theme in his art, which is obviously similar to my explanation of Super-realism.</p>
<p>I agree that the data visualization community is a potential source of major artworks.  Some of their works are already iconic, such as the famous &#8220;maps of the internet&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opte.org/maps/" rel="nofollow">http://www.opte.org/maps/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frank Hecker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Hecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 05:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more comment: If you&#039;re not familiar with them, you should check out the artworks of Jim Sanborn (see http://jimsanborn.net and Wikipedia).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more comment: If you&#8217;re not familiar with them, you should check out the artworks of Jim Sanborn (see <a href="http://jimsanborn.net" rel="nofollow">http://jimsanborn.net</a> and Wikipedia).</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Hecker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Hecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 04:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw &quot;The Third and the Seventh&quot; when it came out, and was quite struck by it. I agree with your comment about the development process for that film being potentially a fruitful one for other artists to emulate. Another place I&#039;d look to for potential major artworks is the community of people working on visualizations for large data sets, (especially?) including those resulting from sensor input. There enough folks working in this area, enough powerful tools, and enough new and interesting datasets (as you point out), that there will be motive, means, and opportunity to hijack the tools and data in the service of art, just as Alex Roman did with high-end architectural design software and 3D building models. (For one example see the airFIELD sculpture, http://vimeo.com/44517807)

Re Irwin&#039;s definition, I wouldn&#039;t be so quick to discount the first part as irrelevant to Super-realism. If we restrict ourselves solely to the &quot;continuous expansion of our awareness of the world around us&quot; then how would we distinguish art from science?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw &#8220;The Third and the Seventh&#8221; when it came out, and was quite struck by it. I agree with your comment about the development process for that film being potentially a fruitful one for other artists to emulate. Another place I&#8217;d look to for potential major artworks is the community of people working on visualizations for large data sets, (especially?) including those resulting from sensor input. There enough folks working in this area, enough powerful tools, and enough new and interesting datasets (as you point out), that there will be motive, means, and opportunity to hijack the tools and data in the service of art, just as Alex Roman did with high-end architectural design software and 3D building models. (For one example see the airFIELD sculpture, <a href="http://vimeo.com/44517807" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/44517807</a>)</p>
<p>Re Irwin&#8217;s definition, I wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to discount the first part as irrelevant to Super-realism. If we restrict ourselves solely to the &#8220;continuous expansion of our awareness of the world around us&#8221; then how would we distinguish art from science?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the terrific comment, Frank.

Your speculation on major works is interesting.  I&#039;m curious as where exactly they&#039;d come from.  Movie artists?  Lone artists?  Alex Roman&#039;s &quot;The Third and the Seventh&quot; seems to be on the boundary between Super-realism and Realism to me, and perhaps his development process is what will be used:

http://vimeo.com/7809605

On Irwin and definitions: That&#039;s a really striking definition! I hadn&#039;t read it before, but some similar statements from him influenced my thinking about Post-realism.  The first half of his definition seems Post-realist, the second half Super-realist.  So maybe he&#039;s a boundary figure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the terrific comment, Frank.</p>
<p>Your speculation on major works is interesting.  I&#8217;m curious as where exactly they&#8217;d come from.  Movie artists?  Lone artists?  Alex Roman&#8217;s &#8220;The Third and the Seventh&#8221; seems to be on the boundary between Super-realism and Realism to me, and perhaps his development process is what will be used:</p>
<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/7809605" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/7809605</a></p>
<p>On Irwin and definitions: That&#8217;s a really striking definition! I hadn&#8217;t read it before, but some similar statements from him influenced my thinking about Post-realism.  The first half of his definition seems Post-realist, the second half Super-realist.  So maybe he&#8217;s a boundary figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Hecker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Hecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 04:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, which provokes a number of thoughts (my apologies for the length):

Regarding the question &quot;what is art?&quot;, I like Cynthia Freeland&#039;s book &quot;But Is It Art?&quot;, which has a good discussion of the various ways in which people have conceived of art in different cultures and times. Freeland quotes two definitions of art, formulated by anthropologist Richard Anderson and environment artist Robert Irwin respectively. Per Irwin, art is &quot;a continuous examination of our perceptual awareness and a continuous expansion of our awareness of the world around us&quot;. This definition is very congenial to your concept of Super-realism, particularly the second part, but also I think the first: It&#039;s not just the fact that science has enabled us to expand our perception, it&#039;s that that expansion of perception has changed the way in which we perceive ourselves: The person who can conceive of light as something that flows slowly through a bottle or that has traveled 13 billion years to reach us is a different person than the person who can conceive of light only in traditional terms (e.g., brightness vs. darkness, as in chiaroscuro).

That in turn leads into Anderson&#039;s definition of art: &quot;culturally significant meaning, skillfully encoded in an affecting, sensuous medium&quot;. The &quot;culturally significant&quot; part of this definition points to what I think is a fourth factor to add to your three: We have lived long enough with various aspects of science and technology that they have become part of our common culture, and thus part of the common store of items, concepts, etc., from which we construct meaning and interpret it for one another.

This process of cultural absorption can take (and has taken) a while. As an earlier example, it took on the order of a century from the beginnings of the industrial revolution in the late 18th and early 19th century to the point in the early 20th century at which there arose an artistic movement (Futurism) that wholeheartedly adopted industrialism as its central theme. The first half of the twentieth century saw an ensuing scientific and science-based technological revolutions--from the theory of special relativity to the elucidation of the structure of DNA, with quantum mechanics, information theory, and computability and actual computers along the way. Thus if Super-realism does indeed evolve into a significant artistic movement then it&#039;s arriving right on schedule, and we can expect to see major works in the next 10-20 years.

How will we recognize them as major works? First, because they speak deeply to us in our current state of existence, and second, because we will develop the critical vocabulary to discuss exactly why and how they affect us. (As always, the art will come first, the criticism later.) That critical vocabulary will be informed both by science and technology and by the ways in which they affect us, and of course will depend on critics&#039; familiarity with both.

A few years ago I had a temporary (re)infatuation with contemporary art, and wrote some blog post on the works &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://frankhecker.com/2009/07/19/struck-by-jack-stranges-g/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;g&lt;/a&gt;&quot; and &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://frankhecker.com/2009/08/08/jack-strange-and-the-spinning-beach-ball-of-death/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spinning Beach Ball of Death&lt;/a&gt;&quot; by Jack Strange. Leaving aside their value as criticism (which I myself can&#039;t judge), what I found noteworthy was how much my own emotional reaction to the works depended on my scientific and technical background. (For example, none of the other discussions of the work I read speculated as to why &quot;g&quot; is called &quot;g&quot; and not something else, while I think this a major key to the work--no pun intended.) As an ex-physics student I&#039;m admittedly a special case, but I think scientific literacy is widespread enough now that an artist can conciously (or unconciously) incorporate scientific concepts into a work to effective ends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, which provokes a number of thoughts (my apologies for the length):</p>
<p>Regarding the question &#8220;what is art?&#8221;, I like Cynthia Freeland&#8217;s book &#8220;But Is It Art?&#8221;, which has a good discussion of the various ways in which people have conceived of art in different cultures and times. Freeland quotes two definitions of art, formulated by anthropologist Richard Anderson and environment artist Robert Irwin respectively. Per Irwin, art is &#8220;a continuous examination of our perceptual awareness and a continuous expansion of our awareness of the world around us&#8221;. This definition is very congenial to your concept of Super-realism, particularly the second part, but also I think the first: It&#8217;s not just the fact that science has enabled us to expand our perception, it&#8217;s that that expansion of perception has changed the way in which we perceive ourselves: The person who can conceive of light as something that flows slowly through a bottle or that has traveled 13 billion years to reach us is a different person than the person who can conceive of light only in traditional terms (e.g., brightness vs. darkness, as in chiaroscuro).</p>
<p>That in turn leads into Anderson&#8217;s definition of art: &#8220;culturally significant meaning, skillfully encoded in an affecting, sensuous medium&#8221;. The &#8220;culturally significant&#8221; part of this definition points to what I think is a fourth factor to add to your three: We have lived long enough with various aspects of science and technology that they have become part of our common culture, and thus part of the common store of items, concepts, etc., from which we construct meaning and interpret it for one another.</p>
<p>This process of cultural absorption can take (and has taken) a while. As an earlier example, it took on the order of a century from the beginnings of the industrial revolution in the late 18th and early 19th century to the point in the early 20th century at which there arose an artistic movement (Futurism) that wholeheartedly adopted industrialism as its central theme. The first half of the twentieth century saw an ensuing scientific and science-based technological revolutions&#8211;from the theory of special relativity to the elucidation of the structure of DNA, with quantum mechanics, information theory, and computability and actual computers along the way. Thus if Super-realism does indeed evolve into a significant artistic movement then it&#8217;s arriving right on schedule, and we can expect to see major works in the next 10-20 years.</p>
<p>How will we recognize them as major works? First, because they speak deeply to us in our current state of existence, and second, because we will develop the critical vocabulary to discuss exactly why and how they affect us. (As always, the art will come first, the criticism later.) That critical vocabulary will be informed both by science and technology and by the ways in which they affect us, and of course will depend on critics&#8217; familiarity with both.</p>
<p>A few years ago I had a temporary (re)infatuation with contemporary art, and wrote some blog post on the works &#8220;<a href="http://frankhecker.com/2009/07/19/struck-by-jack-stranges-g/" rel="nofollow">g</a>&#8221; and &#8220;<a href="http://frankhecker.com/2009/08/08/jack-strange-and-the-spinning-beach-ball-of-death/" rel="nofollow">Spinning Beach Ball of Death</a>&#8221; by Jack Strange. Leaving aside their value as criticism (which I myself can&#8217;t judge), what I found noteworthy was how much my own emotional reaction to the works depended on my scientific and technical background. (For example, none of the other discussions of the work I read speculated as to why &#8220;g&#8221; is called &#8220;g&#8221; and not something else, while I think this a major key to the work&#8211;no pun intended.) As an ex-physics student I&#8217;m admittedly a special case, but I think scientific literacy is widespread enough now that an artist can conciously (or unconciously) incorporate scientific concepts into a work to effective ends.</p>
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