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		<title>By: Alas, No Second Edition &#124; Qrystal.name</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-27050</link>
		<dc:creator>Alas, No Second Edition &#124; Qrystal.name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comes directly from Michael Nielsen himself, in a comment on his blog. I must say I’m disappointed, because the book of theirs in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Quanta 'Qu'oisa Quântica, não? &#124; n-Dimensional</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-15656</link>
		<dc:creator>Quanta 'Qu'oisa Quântica, não? &#124; n-Dimensional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [1] Encontrado no blog do Michael Nielsen. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-15632</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eva - Ah, you caught me out! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eva &#8211; Ah, you caught me out! <img src='http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-15628</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re obviously quantum sheep!</description>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-15622</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but isn&#039;t postmodernism a lot like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Niels Bohr&#039;s lucky horseshoe&lt;/a&gt; ... which worked whether one believed in it or not?

I agree that when it comes to efficient quantum simulation, the basic physical ideas and mathematical axioms have been around for several decades in more-or-less their present form ... it is mainly the theorems and the working simulation codes that are becoming cumulatively more general and more accurate.

That this progress will continue seems likely to me. Postmodern considerations enter when we ask (to adapt &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=E8SRzHI0oiYC&amp;pg=PA510&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;von Neumann&#039;s phrasing&lt;/a&gt;) &quot;can we foresee the character, the caliber, and the duration&quot; of this progress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but isn&#8217;t postmodernism a lot like <a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr" rel="nofollow">Niels Bohr&#8217;s lucky horseshoe</a> &#8230; which worked whether one believed in it or not?</p>
<p>I agree that when it comes to efficient quantum simulation, the basic physical ideas and mathematical axioms have been around for several decades in more-or-less their present form &#8230; it is mainly the theorems and the working simulation codes that are becoming cumulatively more general and more accurate.</p>
<p>That this progress will continue seems likely to me. Postmodern considerations enter when we ask (to adapt <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=E8SRzHI0oiYC&amp;pg=PA510" rel="nofollow">von Neumann&#8217;s phrasing</a>) &#8220;can we foresee the character, the caliber, and the duration&#8221; of this progress?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-15621</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much doubt that sentence of Plenio and Virmani was influenced by postmodernism.  It&#039;s been known for many decades that phase randomization in a suitable basis leads to classical behaviour.  The discovery goes back to 1920s work by people like Darwin (grandson of the biologist) and Mott.  Certainly, this is how I was taught classical behaviour arises as an undergrad, in the early 1990s. 

There will not be a second edition of Nielsen and Chuang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much doubt that sentence of Plenio and Virmani was influenced by postmodernism.  It&#8217;s been known for many decades that phase randomization in a suitable basis leads to classical behaviour.  The discovery goes back to 1920s work by people like Darwin (grandson of the biologist) and Mott.  Certainly, this is how I was taught classical behaviour arises as an undergrad, in the early 1990s. </p>
<p>There will not be a second edition of Nielsen and Chuang.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-15620</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Leiffer asks: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Time to fight back by doing some postmodern literary criticism inspired physics?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Matt, IMHO that process is well underway.  For example, the postmodern literary idea that &quot;randomness improves poetry&quot; finds its cognate image in the lead sentence of &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/0810.4340&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plenio and Virmani&#039;s recent QIT  preprint&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;We consider the possibility of adding noise to a quantum circuit to make it efficiently simulatable classically.&quot;

Although that sentence could have been written in the early 1970s (e.g., by Choi or Kraus), or even written in the mid 1950s (e.g., by Stinespring), it is only in our present decade that this fundamental &quot;postmodern&quot; principle of quantum simulation has been widely embraced.

It is not mentioned, for example, even in Nielsen and Chuang&#039;s magisterial text of 2000 ... if there is ever a Second Edition, this topic IMHO deserves a chapter. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Leiffer asks: <i>&#8220;Time to fight back by doing some postmodern literary criticism inspired physics?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Matt, IMHO that process is well underway.  For example, the postmodern literary idea that &#8220;randomness improves poetry&#8221; finds its cognate image in the lead sentence of <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0810.4340" rel="nofollow">Plenio and Virmani&#8217;s recent QIT  preprint</a>: &#8220;We consider the possibility of adding noise to a quantum circuit to make it efficiently simulatable classically.&#8221;</p>
<p>Although that sentence could have been written in the early 1970s (e.g., by Choi or Kraus), or even written in the mid 1950s (e.g., by Stinespring), it is only in our present decade that this fundamental &#8220;postmodern&#8221; principle of quantum simulation has been widely embraced.</p>
<p>It is not mentioned, for example, even in Nielsen and Chuang&#8217;s magisterial text of 2000 &#8230; if there is ever a Second Edition, this topic IMHO deserves a chapter. <img src='http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt Leifer</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-15619</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Leifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to fight back by doing some postmodern literary criticism inspired physics?</description>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/woolly-quantum-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-15618</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully this fine thread will stay around long enough for more people to post examples of &quot;art on the border of randomness&quot; ... 

... my own (cherished) favorite would be the musical works of Charles Ives ...

... whose life story (as an artist) is almost as inspirational as his music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully this fine thread will stay around long enough for more people to post examples of &#8220;art on the border of randomness&#8221; &#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230; my own (cherished) favorite would be the musical works of Charles Ives &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; whose life story (as an artist) is almost as inspirational as his music.</p>
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