{"id":255,"date":"2007-07-04T06:00:48","date_gmt":"2007-07-03T20:00:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/?p=255"},"modified":"2007-07-04T06:00:48","modified_gmt":"2007-07-03T20:00:48","slug":"was-the-universe-formerly-a-black-hole","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/was-the-universe-formerly-a-black-hole\/","title":{"rendered":"Was the Universe formerly a black hole?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This is a question that&#8217;s bugged me for a while.<\/p>\n<p>First, here&#8217;s why I think this is a reasonable question to ask.<\/p>\n<p>Suppose you cram a mass M into a spherical volume of radius R such that R is less than the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Schwarzschild_radius\">Schwarzschild radius<\/a>, i.e., R \\leq 2GM\/c^2.  Then it&#8217;s a pretty well understood consequence of general relativity that the mass will collapse to form a black hole.<\/p>\n<p>Current estimates of the mass of the (observable) Universe vary quite a bit.  This <a href=\"http:\/\/curious.astro.cornell.edu\/question.php?number=342\">webpage<\/a> seems pretty representative, though, giving a value for the mass of 3 x 10^52 kg.<\/p>\n<p>This gives a value for the corresponding Schwarzschild radius of about 6 billion light years.<\/p>\n<p>The radius of the observable Universe is, of course, quite a bit bigger than this.  But the Universe is also expanding, and at some point in the past its radius was quite a bit less than six billion light years.<\/p>\n<p>If that was the case, why didn&#8217;t it collapse to form a singularity?  In short, how come we&#8217;re still here?<\/p>\n<p>Any cosmologists out there who can enlighten me?<\/p>\n<p><b>Update:<\/b> In comments, Dave Bacon points to an enlightening <a href=\"http:\/\/math.ucr.edu\/home\/baez\/physics\/Relativity\/BlackHoles\/universe.html\">essay<\/a> from John Baez, explaining some of what&#8217;s going on.<\/p>\n<p>My interpretation of the essay is that the standard lore I learned as an undergraduate (namely, that if you take a mass M and compress it into a smaller radius than the Schwarzschild radius then a black hole must inevitably form) is wrong, and that the FRW cosmology provides a counterexample.<\/p>\n<p>This begs the question of <em>when<\/em>, exactly, a black hole can be guaranteed to form.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is a question that&#8217;s bugged me for a while. First, here&#8217;s why I think this is a reasonable question to ask. Suppose you cram a mass M into a spherical volume of radius R such that R is less than the Schwarzschild radius, i.e., R \\leq 2GM\/c^2. Then it&#8217;s a pretty well understood consequence&hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/was-the-universe-formerly-a-black-hole\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Was the Universe formerly a black hole?<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-255","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-physics","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/255","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=255"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/255\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=255"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=255"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelnielsen.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=255"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}