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		<title>Asdf at 00:05, 20 August 2009</title>
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 17:05, 19 August 2009&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;We&#039;ll use the term &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&quot;&lt;/del&gt;generic prime&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&quot; &lt;/del&gt;to denote a prime with high [[Kolmogorov complexity]], e.g. a k-digit prime with complexity at least &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\sqrt{k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.  Note that almost all primes are generic.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;We&#039;ll use the term &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;/ins&gt;generic prime&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;/ins&gt;to denote a prime with high [[Kolmogorov complexity]], e.g. a k-digit prime with complexity at least &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\sqrt{k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.  Note that almost all primes are generic.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;On the other hand, the [[finding primes]] conjecture is false for generic primes, as deterministic algorithms in poly(k) time can only produce numbers of complexity &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;O(\log k)&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.  Thus any solution of this conjecture must in some way distinguish primes from generic primes.  This rules out any approach based purely on average-case results about the distribution of primes, since primes and generic primes are essentially indistinguishable in these results.  (However, for the purposes of the weak conjecture, one could hope to use average-case results on relatively thin sets, of size &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;10^{\varepsilon k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; or so.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;On the other hand, the [[finding primes]] conjecture is false for generic primes, as deterministic algorithms in poly(k) time can only produce numbers of complexity &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;O(\log k)&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.  Thus any solution of this conjecture must in some way distinguish primes from generic primes.  This rules out any approach based purely on average-case results about the distribution of primes, since primes and generic primes are essentially indistinguishable in these results.  (However, for the purposes of the weak conjecture, one could hope to use average-case results on relatively thin sets, of size &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;10^{\varepsilon k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; or so.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;A factoring oracle breaks the indistinguishability between primes and generic primes, since non-generic primes cannot be given any non-trivial factoring.  So generic primes do not seem to provide an obstruction to the conjecture with factoring.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;A factoring oracle breaks the indistinguishability between primes and generic primes, since non-generic primes cannot be given any non-trivial factoring.  So generic primes do not seem to provide an obstruction to the conjecture with factoring.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Teorth: New page: We&#039;ll use the term &quot;generic prime&quot; to denote a prime with high Kolmogorov complexity, e.g. a k-digit prime with complexity at least &lt;math&gt;\sqrt{k}&lt;/math&gt;.  Note that almost all primes ...</title>
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		<updated>2009-08-05T01:45:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;New page: We&amp;#039;ll use the term &amp;quot;generic prime&amp;quot; to denote a prime with high &lt;a href=&quot;/polymath/index.php?title=Kolmogorov_complexity&quot; title=&quot;Kolmogorov complexity&quot;&gt;Kolmogorov complexity&lt;/a&gt;, e.g. a k-digit prime with complexity at least &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\sqrt{k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.  Note that almost all primes ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;We&amp;#039;ll use the term &amp;quot;generic prime&amp;quot; to denote a prime with high [[Kolmogorov complexity]], e.g. a k-digit prime with complexity at least &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\sqrt{k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.  Note that almost all primes are generic.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other hand, the [[finding primes]] conjecture is false for generic primes, as deterministic algorithms in poly(k) time can only produce numbers of complexity &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;O(\log k)&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.  Thus any solution of this conjecture must in some way distinguish primes from generic primes.  This rules out any approach based purely on average-case results about the distribution of primes, since primes and generic primes are essentially indistinguishable in these results.  (However, for the purposes of the weak conjecture, one could hope to use average-case results on relatively thin sets, of size &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;10^{\varepsilon k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; or so.)&lt;br /&gt;
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A factoring oracle breaks the indistinguishability between primes and generic primes, since non-generic primes cannot be given any non-trivial factoring.  So generic primes do not seem to provide an obstruction to the conjecture with factoring.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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